Tim ([info]evil_mr_tim) wrote,
@ 2007-04-06 12:41:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Entry tags:culture, prejudice, racism, review

"Racism? AGAIN? Tim, is there something you're not telling us?"
Howdy folks.
Last night I watched a movie called 'Crash', which I'm told (its safer to trust other people's interpretations on these things, I once thought Catwoman was about misogyny) is about racism. I really enjoyed it (the movie, that is, not the racism), I found it to be thought provoking and highly illustrative of the insidious negative cycles which keep racism alive today. 
Every movie has its detractors (kind of like how Iranian people don't seem to like 300), and Crash is no different. Despite its popularity (nominated for 6 academy awards, of which it won 3), and praise in the public eye for its addressing of racism as an issue, there are those who criticise the film on this very facet. 

You will recall (failing that, click here) that my last Livejournal post addressed a phenomenon I had only recently encountered, regarding a progressive new definition of racism (and by extension, sexism also), which I criticised for destroying not only the intuitive and widespread application of these words, but also their utility in describing anything meaningful in issues of race or gender conflict. I also pointed out the mind-blowingly ironic prejudice of restricting the application of a 'very serious' pejorative term to particular racial and gender groups. But, that's me...

For any of you (who actually read it, that is) who thought my assessments of the new definition of 'racism' (as pejorative, defeatist, and more defined by the 'lack of a solution' than the 'presence of a problem') were perhaps a bit too hasty, or not likely to reflect real-world opinions, I submit this review of the movie Crash:

"'Crash' and the Self-Indulgence of White America" 

This is not a parody, nor would I be capable of constructing a parody that would better illustrate the problems of applying this particular definition of racism. Here are some quotes from the review itself, to wet the beaks of anyone who happens to be interested in this issue but might not think the review worth reading:

-"Crash" is a white-supremacist movie.
-Its faux humanism and simplistic message of tolerance directs attention away from a white-supremacist system and undermines white accountability for the maintenance of that system. (Tim: Yeah, seriously folks, tolerance is for jackasses)
-The first step in putting white people back on the hook is pressing the case that the United States in 2006 is a white-supremacist society. Even with the elimination of formal apartheid and the lessening of the worst of the overt racism of the past, the term is still appropriate, in ideological and material terms.
-The characters and plot lines are complex and often intriguing. But "Crash" remains a white-supremacist movie because of what it refuses to bring into the discussion. (Tim: !!!)
-Today, polite white folks renounce such claims of superiority. But scratch below that surface politeness and the multicultural rhetoric of most white people, and one finds that the assumptions about the superiority of the art, music, culture, politics, and philosophy rooted in white Europe are still very much alive.

This particular one brings up a massive issue in my eyes, and I can't resist talking about it now that I've brought it up. Let us just quickly recap one of the intuitive (let's just say 'good') definitions of racism. "A belief that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement". Seems fair, right? Now let's take another look at the comment above, "one finds that the assumptions about the superiority of the art, music, culture, politics, and philosophy rooted in white Europe are still very much alive". When read in-context, this is the author addressing what is (apparently) one of the central issues of the 'white supremacy' of the USA. That its social and cultural structure are based inordinately on a "white European" foundation (as opposed to other nations and ethnic groups around the world). Now, while I'm not going to get started on the issue of the comparative utility of different cultural conceptions (since even informed 'judice' can be difficult to defend from claims of 'prejudice'), there is a fundamental problem here in regarding ideologies and social systems that were in 'white' Europe centuries ago as being "white European". 
While there are mild, though seemingly large, physical dimorphisms, all homo sapiens (sapiens) 'races' are the same species (we're not even different sub-species, technically). Beyond that, we are genetically so similar to each other that, beyond pathology, we have a standardisation of physiological (and particularly, cognitive) capacity generally unseen in natural populations, even in our closest evolutionary relatives. You will find more genetic and neurological diversity between many visually indistinguishable chimpanzee tribes than you will find between any two normative humans from any populations in the world. It is because of this that in a very meaningful way, ideas and lingually-transmissible thought are near-equally accessible to all of us. Only in cases of insufficient informational background and intervening ideological predispositions, can you find any human being who is less capable of learning an idea or belief than the person who is trying to communicate it to them. In a very meaningful way, on the metaphysical playing field of ideas, beliefs, and means of regarding the world, we are all the same (to within negligible margins). 
What, therefore, could be more insulting, more prejudiced, more racist, than the assertion that particular ideologies, assumptions, and ideas, are somehow intrinsic to the racial context from which it arose? Could you imagine anything more incidental? Claims that rely on the validity of this distinction, are akin (though not entirely) to claiming that society is fundamentally biased in favour of people with yellowed-teeth, on the grounds that our societal ideologies were formed almost exclusively by people who had no dental care. While it may be true that people of (let's say) colonial times, had different attitudes towards dental hygiene than we do today, this does not colour any other thoughts they had with the 'yellow-tooth' context. The same can be said for the independence of ideologies from race. Any ideas or beliefs that don't pertain directly to the issue of race, cannot reasonably be claimed to be racially involved until such a connection is demonstrated. 
Such claims as those made by proponents of 'the new racism', are clear examples of a particular version of cultural relativism that attempts to invoke a kind of racially-defined historical culture, which 'belongs to' any given person beyond that which they have experienced in their lifetime. In essence, this is saying that there is something intrinsic to whatever race you are, that identifies you (by no choice of your own) with the incidental ideological history of other people (whom you've never met) who were also that race. 
This is tantamount to suggesting that the ancient Aztecs, having been worshippers of the Sun, have something intrinsic to their particular ethnic dimorphisms that makes sun-worshipping their thing. That it would be wrong of us to criticise such a cultural belief, or attempt to dissuade them from it, because even if they knew everything we know, about the scientific nature of Sun (as a giant ball of fusing hydrogen plasma which possess no intelligence or personality properties), they would still worship the Sun, because that's what Aztecs do! ... This is the prescribing of ideological states and identifications (or at the very least predispositions) on the basis of race! I struggle to think of any simple assumptions more fostering of racism than this!
And where does one draw the line in such a historical regression? Are contemporary democratic American ideals from 'white' European cultures? What of it's origins there? Is American society then Greco-Roman in ethnic origin? But what of the foundation of their society? Are we left at a point where all cultures must be thought of as containing fundamental biases towards African people, as tribalism in ancient Africa was the focal origin of all modern societies? Perhaps we have a racist system in favour of recent ancestor Homo sapiens idaltu? Ridiculous? I think so too! If lines of cultural influence need to be drawn very close to their literal popularisations, what is wrong with saying that American culture draws heavily from America, a multi-racial nation which grows more (and less, through interracial unions) multi-racial every generation?
The very identification of cultural elements that do not directly address race, as belonging to, being from, or being for any particular race, is an exercise in racism of the purest sort. Race does not equal culture, any more than skin colour equals cognitive capacity! I really wish the irony of this was not lost on the proponents of 'the new racism', who seem to grow more actually racist every time I check up on them... (You see what I did there? By referring to the new definition of racism as 'the new racism', I am leaving open the semantic interpretation that it is a new form of racism itself. Which it is! Get it? That's why I make the big bucks.)

-"Crash" paints a multi-colored picture of race, and in a multi-racial society recognizing that diversity is important. Let's just not forget that the color of racism is white.

...
Well that just says it all, doesn't it?
Tim.



(Post a new comment)


[info]xcharliex
2007-04-06 10:58 am UTC (link)
I'm not afraid of a racist joke every now and then, and then some, as you well know.
In part because I find the idea that skin colour means someone is inferior is ridiculous, and also because I like saying things that are completely off the wall and not said in polite company.

I also realise that my "beliefs" are more opinions than anything else, and have no problem changing them when confronted with new infomation. One of these beliefs is that racism has some "understandable justification" (I couldn't think of a better term, my vocabulary is very, very, very, not good) in the sense that I see it as a clash of cultures, and skin colour tends to represent that culture.
And so people associate a certain culture with a certain skin colour, even though the skin colour itself is not responsible for the culture, nor vice versa.

You can't have stereotypes without some sort of basis.

What is your point of view on that opinion?

I can understand white seperatists, or anyone who wants to preserve their culture against the incursion of another one that seems to undermine their own, although I don't necessarily agree or disagree.
And my own experience is limited to Western Culture and Society, so maybe other cultures aren't as bad as they make it out to be. I actually like alot of Asian culture, but I'll be fucked if I want to live in a Muslim country.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
I'm Kent Brockman...

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 12:11 pm UTC (link)
The cognitive formation of 'ingroups' and the simplified 'outgrouping' of others, is one of the central issues of what is called 'The Tyranny of the Discontinuous Mind'.
In our evolutionary history, in order to be most efficient in our processing of the world around us (for survival purposes), we developed the perceptual tendency to form simplistic, agent-oriented understandings wherever possible. This is, in essence, the source of our tendency to form stereotypes, perceive more diversity in our immediate peers than in members of other groups, and of course, a tendency to see the activities of 'outgroups' specifically in terms of how they relate to one's 'ingroup'.

As for cultural segregation, I think the central problem is the assumption that cultures exist in whole units, as opposed to various interchangable and replacable parts. This is.. not true? I don't know what to say beyond that.

And in regard to inter-culture comparisons, I think the fact of the matter is that different cultural aspects do have differential utilities to them, and it is possible to rationally compare them and pick the better ones. It is only relativist boobs who suggest otherwise.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]xcharliex
2007-04-06 12:16 pm UTC (link)
I didn't mean to suggest that culture exists in whole units, history testifies the opposite.

The "ingroup outgroup" idea is what I was trying to say.
Sort of a natural instinct of human.
I think that's where alot of it all comes from, rather than from an intellectual basis.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 01:35 pm UTC (link)
Things would be a whole lot easier if we just killed all the non-whites. Where's the racism then? Exactly.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Is this about that Christmas you were 'dreaming of'?
[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Well, amoung other problems, doesn't this raise the logistical problem of where to draw the line?
I mean, how white does a white person have to be to make the cut?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: Is this about that Christmas you were 'dreaming of'?
[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Any "iffy" persons will stand before a tribunal [made up of me] upon whence a judgement shall be made as to their 'white claim'. The tribunal's decision is final, there is no avenue for appeal.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 02:01 pm UTC (link)
Under what criteria would you make this decision?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Whether I think they deserve to live or not based on my own personal judgements as to what a white person should or should not like and how they should or should not act.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Can you be more specific?
Some examples?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 02:16 pm UTC (link)
Criteria will, for the most part, follow a traditional, proper, English standard. Any of this 'nigger talk' so popular amongst mostly African-American youths will definately not be acceptable. No references to 'Mohammed' shall be permitted. Sentences shall not begin nor end with 'Ay ya!' nor shall any writings be written with every second letter capitalised.

Anyone like Francis who are found to be white people trapped inside the body of another race shall undergo mass pigmentation alteration and bone-structure reconfiguration surgery.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 02:27 pm UTC (link)
But wouldn't their children still be of colour?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Oh they would be sterilised, naturally. This isn't some kind of circus we're running.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 02:41 pm UTC (link)
So what does ideological similarity to historical 'whiteness' have to do with stopping racist interactions?
Would you also be getting rid of any very white-skinned people who subscribed heavily to 'non-white' cultural norms?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 02:49 pm UTC (link)
That is phase two of Operation Bananafishbones.

Phase One: Eliminate non-whites.

Phase Two: Weed out the non-white whites. [Except Mark's sister, I've got plans for her.]

Phase Three: Kill those remaining who have nothing to add to society yet somehow made it through the previous two phases, ie: white trash, severely handicapped/retarded.

Phase Four: Watch the last of humanity die out over the next couple of decades.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Given 'white' ideologies are harder to nail down than those associated with some other groups (like, say, inuits) due to their longer history of interracial relations, wouldn't it be easier to do this kind of genocide with a non-white preservation group?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 03:02 pm UTC (link)
But killing white people doesn't make any sense. Besides, there's a lot more joy to be had by killing the non-whites.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 03:05 pm UTC (link)
Bob, we're not talking about fun here, we're talking about a progressive plan to end racism!
Why doesn't killing white people make sense? I've seen it done.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Everyone knows it's the non-whites that are racist.
Before those non-whites had any sort of say, there was no such word as racism. It's a word propogated by the non-whites as part of their nefarious plans to kill off the white persons.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 03:25 pm UTC (link)
So in theory, if they got all the white people, wouldn't it be the end of racism?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 03:50 pm UTC (link)
No, because it is in their nature to hate something, so if the white people were all 'removed' [what a frightfully horrific thought that is] they would turn their hate on each other [blacks against middle-easterns against asians against African-Americans against aborigines etc etc] until they all wiped themselves out in a deliciously enjoyable non-white slaughterfest.

Of course, this event would be a tragic loss, as with the white people already gone, there would be none around to appreciate the beauty of it.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Why not just pick one of them though, like you had with white people, and try to make a one-ethnicity utopia of a more isolationist ethnic group?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-06 09:54 pm UTC (link)
Didn't I already explain this bit? Because I like white people. I don't like non-whites. That seemed the most straight-forward part of my plan.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-07 03:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah but why do you like whites better than non-whites?
Seems you had a lot of races to pick from.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]aussietiger
2007-04-07 05:55 am UTC (link)
Because I'm white? Because all the other races pale in comparison with the white race?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-07 08:21 am UTC (link)
Because I'm white?
But Bob, this isn't about racial favouritism or self-preservation, is it? It's about progressive ending racism!

Because all the other races pale in comparison with the white race?
What are you basing that on?
It was my understanding that it was the whites who were 'paled' by all the other races. What with the white skin and all.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: Is this about that Christmas you were 'dreaming of'?
[info]bastard_king
2007-04-06 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Tim, why are you pursuing this line of questioning? Don't we have ample evidence by now that Bob is an unapologetic racist?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Well, my theory is that if I can draw this discourse out long enough, Bob may eventually come to the realisation that ethnic-cleansing is wrong.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]evil_mr_tim
2007-04-06 01:38 pm UTC (link)
I of course wasn't suggesting that YOU think cultures come in whole units, Mark.
Just that a lot of separatists do.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


Create an Account
Forgot your login?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…